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- Rob Houghton
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I'm not entirely convinced about this twin argument. I mean - I agree that technically a boy and girl twin can not be identical as such, and that its impossible, but I get the impression Enid was using the term 'identical' (when she uses it!) or 'as like as' or 'very alike' as interchangeable descriptions, and is also being a bit vague. After all, even two brothers or two sisters or a brother and sister could look alike if their hair and clothes were the same, surely, depending on hair colour, age, size etc? They don't have to be biologically 'identical' to look alike...?
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Sing on, sing on, and when the sun is gone
I'll warm me with your echoes
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hearts mad delight,
Sing on, sing on, and when the sun is gone
I'll warm me with your echoes
through the night.'
(E. Blyton, Sunday Times, 1951)
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Yes, but whenever she refers to a brother and sister as being so alike you almost can't tell one from the other (which she does in a number of stories), she inevitably refers to them as "twins". In one Mr Pink-Whistle story, for example (I can't remember which one), there's a brother and sister who are referred to as looking alike and who tell Pink-Whistle "Yes, we're twins. We were born on the same day." So I can only conclude that Enid always assumed that brother and sister twins should look just as much "alike" as genuine identical twins do. Which they can't.
Now I'll leave off the argument and stop derailing threads with it, honestly!!
Now I'll leave off the argument and stop derailing threads with it, honestly!!
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It was a nuisance. An adventure was one thing - but an adventure without anything to eat was quite another thing. That wouldn't do at all. (The Valley of Adventure)
It was a nuisance. An adventure was one thing - but an adventure without anything to eat was quite another thing. That wouldn't do at all. (The Valley of Adventure)
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I think it's a bit picky what you're saying, Courtenay. I think as Rob says, Enid just meant they look alike. She had no intentions I'm sure of going into the biological depths. Look at the book Finniston Farm, and the twins ' the Harries'. It makes the story more interesting when they look alike and dress alike. And so the term 'identical' can be used.
Julian gave an exclamation and nudged George.
"See that? It's the black Bentley again. KMF 102!"
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"See that? It's the black Bentley again. KMF 102!"
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- Anita Bensoussane
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Thanks, Tony. The Twins Go to Nursery-Rhyme Land is a simple story but Enid Blyton certainly covers a lot of nursery-rhymes and I'm sure young children would have fun identifying them. As a child I always found it alarming when Blyton characters ended up in strange lands and people crowded round saying things like, "They don't belong" and "What shall we do with them?" The Faraway Tree children also have an encounter with The Old Woman Who Lived in a Shoe (and other nursery-rhyme characters). It's lovely that Tom and Polly each have a memento of their trip.Tony Summerfield wrote:Another whole book scanned which some people may not have seen before.
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Eileen Soper's illustrations are wonderful - particularly her picture of the palace and soldiers.
"Heyho for a starry night and a heathery bed!" - Jack, The Secret Island.
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- Courtenay
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I agree, it's a fun little story, but if I'd had it read to me as a child, I might have been left a bit scared of some of those nursery rhymes afterwards — especially the Old Woman!Anita Bensoussane wrote:As a child I always found it alarming when Blyton characters ended up in strange lands and people crowded round saying things like, "They don't belong" and "What shall we do with them?".
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It was a nuisance. An adventure was one thing - but an adventure without anything to eat was quite another thing. That wouldn't do at all. (The Valley of Adventure)
It was a nuisance. An adventure was one thing - but an adventure without anything to eat was quite another thing. That wouldn't do at all. (The Valley of Adventure)
- Rob Houghton
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There's a rather battered edition of The Twins Go To Nursery Rhyme Land on eBay - £7.50 + free postage from World of Rare Books.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/The-Twins-Go- ... SwA3dYjGdz
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/The-Twins-Go- ... SwA3dYjGdz
'Oh voice of Spring of Youth
hearts mad delight,
Sing on, sing on, and when the sun is gone
I'll warm me with your echoes
through the night.'
(E. Blyton, Sunday Times, 1951)
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hearts mad delight,
Sing on, sing on, and when the sun is gone
I'll warm me with your echoes
through the night.'
(E. Blyton, Sunday Times, 1951)
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I thought it was quite an alarming little story too for a young child but I had to laugh at the line about Humpty Dumpty "There he goes, look! Smashed as usual". Soper's illustrations are lovely in colour.
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A lovely little book with some beautiful illustrations. I particularly like the one of the shoe house.
Also, I tend to agree with Rob's comments about twins, I don't suppose that Enid was interested in the biological definition of them.
Also, I tend to agree with Rob's comments about twins, I don't suppose that Enid was interested in the biological definition of them.
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I didn't even know that boy and girl twins couldn't be identical!
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Neither did I, Cathy. Many twins boy and girl look alike, and I guess that's why they say 'identical'. It's just a heading of sorts.
Julian gave an exclamation and nudged George.
"See that? It's the black Bentley again. KMF 102!"
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- Anita Bensoussane
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To be identical they'd have to have come from the same egg and therefore be the same sex. However, it's true that non-identical twins can still look very much alike - just as some siblings of different ages do.
"Heyho for a starry night and a heathery bed!" - Jack, The Secret Island.
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- E. Nesbit, The Wonderful Garden.
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As I previously said, Enid didn't say they were identical. She said:
To me, that means their faces were so alike you couldn't see the difference.that if they hadn't been dressed as a boy and a girl no one would have been able to tell one from the other.
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- Rob Houghton
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It's a bit like my two great nephews. One is just five months old and the other (his cousin) is 18 months - and in some photos they look identical apart from age. I never really thought of the fact that 'identical' meant 'identical' I just supposed it meant the children were very alike. I'm sure its biologically possible for a boy and girl twin to have the same ginger hair or the same freckles or the same snub nose...and these are the qualities Enid was talking about, I think!
'Oh voice of Spring of Youth
hearts mad delight,
Sing on, sing on, and when the sun is gone
I'll warm me with your echoes
through the night.'
(E. Blyton, Sunday Times, 1951)
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hearts mad delight,
Sing on, sing on, and when the sun is gone
I'll warm me with your echoes
through the night.'
(E. Blyton, Sunday Times, 1951)
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- Julie2owlsdene
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Yes, I agree with that Rob - as I said, identical is just a heading for a 'look alike'.
Julian gave an exclamation and nudged George.
"See that? It's the black Bentley again. KMF 102!"
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"See that? It's the black Bentley again. KMF 102!"
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This subject reminded me of this passage from the books:
George and the ragamuffin stood scowling at one another, each with fists clenched. They looked so astonishingly alike, with their short, curly hair, brown freckled faces and fierce expressions that Julian suddenly roared with laughter.
" A kind heart always brings its own reward," said Mrs. Lee.
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